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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Flooded Cars

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I recently received an email which said this:-

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My car (X-reg Honda Prelude) was caught in the floods at Sheffield. There was about 3inches of water in the footwells and the underside of the seats are wet. I have got as much water out as possible and cleaned it out but I’m at a loss as to how to dry it our properly to minimize any further damage – it is still pretty ‘soggy’! It is drivable and the electrics are all OK (at the moment!). My insurers have been useless – reluctant to mark it as a claim as there is no obvious damage and unable to suggest any course of action.

Any advice you can offer on this matter would be very much appreciated.

Helen


Unfortunately we are seeing flooded cars every year, but we have been so busy with other all-year-round projects that we haven't had time to write much about the subject, even though we have had plans to do so.

So until I can get my act together, write some proper articles and instructions and try to make availble to the public some of the products we use, here is the answer I sent to Helen:-

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Dear Helen,

We always say that these problems should be dealt with as quickly as possible because they do get worse… so my apologies for not replying sooner! I’m afraid I had the day off yesterday so I have only picked up the mail this morning.

Anyways, with the extent of the flooding in Sheffield, I have to assume that the huge volumes of water have picked up all manor of dirt and silt, and of course with that comes all the bacteria. The silt is in the car and will provide plenty of food for the bacteria to live on. So your car may well smell like a swamp after a week of warm weather.
When we treat a car, we usually strip it out and keep washing it until we have removed all the silt, we then treat the car with enzymes, which eat the food that the bacteria lives on, and then when the bacteria starves to death, the enzymes eats them! We then disinfect the whole car with special chemicals and treat it for odour.

This is quite a long and involved process and would usually cost in the region of £1500. So obviously this is something you would want to do through the insurance company.

If the insurance company is unwilling to spend that sort of money on a car of your age, and you are unwilling to pay for it yourself, then I can suggest that you do the work yourself.

I would suggest you hire a wet vacuum cleaner (carpet cleaner) and keep going over everything (including parts that haven’t got wet, humidity will make them damp and bacteria can still thrive there). You can also use a solution of water an biological washing powder. This has enzymes in it which will help eat up all the substances which cause odour. These work best at 37* centigrade, and extremes of temperature will kill them, so don’t use hot water. You can sprinkle washing powder around the car now, it certainly won’t hurt!
Until you are finished, I wouldn’t even attempt to dry the car, the moisture that helps bacteria spread will also allow the enzymes to travel.

Enzymes take time to work properly (at least a day), and you need enough of them to do the job, so don’t spare the horses!

Once this is okay, the car should start to smell okay. Next you can us disinfectant. This will make the car a hostile environment for bacteria in the future (it will also kill enzymes so don’t move to this stage too early). I would suggest something like a mild solution of Milton Fluid or something similar – there are plenty of antibacterial kitchen cleaners around now.

With this done, you can then use the wet-vac to help dry the car. Water will sink to the lowest part, so when you vac the footwell, after half an hour the water will sink back down and re-appear. So you will have to keep doing it I’m afraid. Towel drying is effective once you near the end, but I’m afraid the most efficient way to dry the car is to remove the carpets and seats! If the underlay is non-porous, I’m afraid it will have to come out otherwise it traps in the water and it will never dry on it’s own.

You will no doubt try to use the heater to help dry the car… make sure it is sucking in clean air and NOT on circulate. Air conditioning will also help if you have it – you should be able to set it to hot.

Be aware of air bags, and airbag control units, these are often under the seats. If they get wet they need replacing. If the light comes on, do take it to a garage.

I hope this helps, if you have any more questions, please contact me.

Regards
Danny.



Since writing this reply, I have had a word with our expert, and he tells me that if you use biological washing powder, it can leave a white residue which will brush-&-vac off once it's dry but can be hard work... using a biological liquid may be a better solution as it will be easier.

Unfortunately the stuff we use comes in industrial quantities (and industrial strength), but I have been on the phone to AutoSmart and they do do a product that will work for cars that are still wet and don't yet smell too bad, and as soon as I have the retail prices I will get Anna to put it on http://www.valetshop.co.uk/categories/interior/autosmart-biobrisk.htm

I'm also contacting another supplier to see if we can make something a little stronger available - so watch this space!

In the meantime, here is an article I wrote a couple of years ago about a flood damaged vehicle we treated:-
http://www.clean-image.co.uk/articles/flood-damged-car-clean-up-01.htm

If you have any questions, please sign up and ask them here, I'll be keeping a close eye on this thread and answering them as quickly as possible.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject:

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I have been informed that if you hire a carpet cleaning machine or wet vac, make sure that is what you are actually getting!
It doesn't have to be a carpet cleaner, as long as it can wet vac... however, many of them are close to useless for doing this kind of thing. You can buy the 'carpet doctor' type of thing in B&Q, but you would be better off hireing something more powerful and with bigger capacity.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: BioBrisk

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I have added Biobrisk to Valetshop, with a (rather rushed) description of how best to use it. http://www.valetshop.co.uk/categories/odour/autosmart-biobrisk.htm
I'll add some more info over the next few days, I'm also trying to get in some other stuff useful for flooded cars.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject:

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Hi There

I've recently purchased a failry new car off a private seller. It seemed a little dodgy as the car had been off the road for a year and then a considerable amount of work was put in by the seller (nearly a grand on MOT and dealer service) two months ago.

Anyway, to the point when i arrived (in the rain) the chap had the wondow open, when quizzed he stated that he's just washed the upholstry and it smelt a bit muggy so was trying to get rid of the smell. Fair enough, he seemed geniune, all paperwork great and i got the car for a grand less than it's book value.

Now then we have the problem, the interior, specifically the seats are SOAKED beyond belief and it smells BAD!

I dont think it's been flooded, no sign of water marks, electrical problems or rust, so im hoping there was just some bad stains and he went OTT with washing it to get the best price he could for the car.

Ive not attempted any sort of drying yet wihtout gaining professional help!

The question is now where do I start, i've read the guides in the post but a more step by step what to do and which products to buy from valet shop and on which stages to use them would be very helpful.

Thanks in advance!

Paul

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:17 am    Post subject:

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This is a tricky one, the smell will be mould and mildew. It will need washing out again with something that will kill it. Just drying it out unfortunately won't be enough because the spores will remain in there... the slightest bit of condensation and it will come back again.

So you could try treating it with something like Bio-Brisk, and then drying the car... which is the tricky part. I would recommend parking it in your garage, or finding somebody who will allow you to park it in their garage for 2-3 days, and then hiring a dehumidifier from a tool hire shop and putting it in the garage with the car. The car should have the doors open, or at the very least the windows fully open. This should dry the car out, but really, how long it takes will depend on how wet the car is. If it really is sopping wet, then you are best off removing the interior and drying it outside the car, especially the carpets.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:55 am    Post subject:

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Hi, I went through a flood last week in my mk5 golf and it looks like some water came in through the engine bay to the footwells.

Now I managed to suck most of the water out using a wet vac and the car appears dry. But a couple of days later a musty smell appeared.

Will this BioBrisk do the job?

And how should I use it?

Cheers,

Steve

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject:

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It most certainly will.

How do you use it? As soon as possible!!! I cannot stress this enough. Speed is of the essence. The musty smell is bacteria, you smell it because it's in the air, and if it's in the air, it will spread to the rest of the car.

In this case, I'd put some in a trigger spray bottle and spray it on the area neat, and then cover with a damp towel overnight. Next day towel dry the area and see if it's worked. As it's cold at the moment and it works best when it's warm you may just wish to leave for a day or so, so that it gets a chance to work while the car is warm (when you are using it).

You get enough in a bottle to treat several cars, so you can be liberal with it. If you find that the smell has spread, you can mist it over the whole car including the headlining.

good luck!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject:

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Hi Danny, you said:

Danny wrote:
In this case, I'd put some in a trigger spray bottle and spray it on the area neat, and then cover with a damp towel overnight. Next day towel dry the area and see if it's worked.


What, check and see if that area still smells and that there is no discolouration on the fabric.

If it doesnt smell or discolour the fabric, then continue with the reset of the car. Do I need to do plastic bits like the dash as well?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject:

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Biobrisk shouldn't effect the carpets... infact, I can't think of a cleaning product that will. Seats can suffer from watermarks, but if you are applying this product with a trigger-spray, you are only laying a mist on, enough to make it damp, not wet. You can be more generous in areas that are already wet due to the flooding. Enzymes are alive, they will effectively swim around in anything wet, (although I'm sure a microbiologist would pick me up on my terminology) and they thrive at body temperature -- same as the bacteria mold and mildew.

This product is safe to use on all areas of your car, and your house for that matter. If you have any left over (which you will) you can use it in the kitchen... in fact, I hear it's wonderful on smelly drains.

You can wipe down all your interior surfaces, it will do them no harm at all. Most smells actually come from the hard surfaces (surprisingly) as these are more exposed, but a wipe down with any kind of cleaner will sort these out. The thing about BioBrisk is that it will get right into those carpets and underlay and find every area where bacteria is hiding. It eats up what they do, thus starving them, and when the bacteria dies, it eats them too - clearing the area of all organic matter that causes smells.

If you do end up with watermark on your seats at the end of this, I'm just about to write something up on it. So check back here as I'll post a link on how to get rid of them.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject:

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Hi,

Thanks for the info.

I have used that TurtleWax Interior foam cleaner before now on my carpets and seats and it has easily removed watermarks.

I just need to get an atomizer spray bottle and I'm away.

I will post back with my results.

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I don't know about your case, but my missus has dozens of bottles under the kitchen sink, usually there are a few that are almost empty. Any old bottle with a trigger spray will do the job, just as long as you wash it out properly.

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